These pants have no liner whatsoever inside, so the seams of the knees really rub on your legs. Quite bothersome. I think the extra knee material is overkill as I am a skier, maybe better for a snowboarder. Also the "ice" color can only be described a light lavender. They would look great on a woman, but not on guys. I thought they were light gray from the pictures.
This review was written in the old system and had content requirements that are different than reviews written today.